UG Krishnamurti - On U.G (185p)

O The First and Last Public Talk After the Calamity - U.G. Krishnamurti  ·  The Question of Mind - U.G. Krishnamurti  ·  U.G.—An Enigma - Brahmachari Sivarama Sarma  ·  Parveen Babi on U.G.  ·  Confessions  ·  Spiritual Terrorism - Rajiv Mehrotra  ·  U.G.: Neither Knowledge Nor Wisdom - Jean-Michel Terdjman  ·  A Maverick Who Makes Some Valid Points - Robert Powell  ·  Indian Spiritual Gurus - M.L. Ahuja  ·  A Journey of Spiritual Discovery and Adventur
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They can't find any other word to describe the way I am functioning. At the same time, I point out that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all.I say that because all my life I've searched and wanted to be an enlightened man, and I discoveredthat there is no such thing as enlightenment at all, and so the question whether a particular person isenlightened or not doesn't arise. I don't give a hoot for the sixth-century-BC Buddha, let alone all theother claimants we have in our midst. They are a bunch of exploiters, thriving on the gullibility of thepeople. There is no power outside of man. Man has created God out of fear. So the problem is fearand not God.I discovered for myself and by myself that there is no self to realize—that's the realization I am talkingabout. It comes as a shattering blow. It hits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested everything inone basket, self-realization, and, in the end, suddenly you discover that there is no self to discover, noself to realize—and you say to yourself, What the hell have I been doing all of my life?! That blasts you.* * * Your constant utilization of thought to give continuity to your separate self is 'you'. There is nothingthere inside you other than that.* * * You see, the search takes you away from yourself—it is in the opposite direction—it has absolutely norelation.  * * *My life story goes up to a point, and then it stops—there is no more biography after that.* * *Desirelessness, non-greed, non-anger—those things have no meaning to me; they are false, and they are not only false, they are falsifying me. I'm finished with the whole business.* * *The holy men are all phonies—they are telling me only what is there in the books. That I can read—'Do the same again and again'—that I don't want. Experiences I don't want. They are trying to sharean experience with me. I'm not interested in experience. As far as experience goes, for me there is nodifference between the religious experience and the sex experience or any other experience; thereligious experience is like any other experience. I am not interested in experiencing Brahman; I amnot interested in experiencing reality; I am not interested in experiencing truth. They might helpothers but they cannot help me. I'm not interested in doing more of the same; what I have done isenough.* * * Who am I to give it to you? You have what I have. We are all at 25 Sannidhi Street, and you are askingme, Where is 25 Sannidhi Street? I say you are there. Not that I know I am there.* * *The abstractions that you are throwing at me, I am not interested in. Is there anything behind theabstractions?* * *I had arrived at a point where I said to myself, Buddha deluded himself and deluded others. All thoseteachers and saviors of mankind were damned fools—they fooled themselves—so I'm not interested inthis kind of thing anymore, so it went out of my system completely.* * *I am not trying to sell anything here. It is impossible for you to simulate this. This is a thing that hashappened outside the field, the area, in which I expected, dreamed and wanted change, so I don't callthis a 'change'. I really don't know what has happened to me. What I am telling you is the way I amfunctioning. There seems to be some difference between the way you are functioning and the way Iam functioning, but basically there can't be any difference. How can there be any difference between you and me? There can't be; but from the way we are trying to express ourselves, there seems to be. Ihave the feeling that there is some difference, and what that difference is is all that I am trying tounderstand. So, this is the way I am functioning.* * * You see, my difficulty with the people who come to see me is this: they don't seem to be able tounderstand the way I am functioning, and I don't seem to be able to understand the way they arefunctioning. How can we carry on a dialogue? Both of us have to stop. How can there be a dialogue between us both?* * *   Your natural state has no relationship whatsoever with the religious states of bliss, beautitude andecstasy; they lie within the field of experience. Those who have led man on his search for religiousnessthroughout the centuries have perhaps experienced those religious states. So can you. They arethought-induced states of being, and as they come, so do they go. Krishna Consciousness, BuddhaConsciousness, Christ Consciousness, or what have you, are all trips in the wrong direction; they areall within the field of time. The timeless can never be experienced, can never be grasped, contained,much less given expression to, by any man. That beaten track will lead you nowhere. There is no oasissituated yonder; you are stuck with the mirage.* * * You see, people usually imagine that so-called enlightenment, self-realization, God-realization or what you will (I don't like to use these words) is something ecstatic, that you will be permanently happy, in a blissful state all the time—these are the images they have of those people... There's norelationship at all between the image you have of that and what actually is the situation... That's why I very often tell people, If I could give you some glimpse of what this is all about, you wouldn't touchthis with a barge pole, a ten foot pole. You would run away from this because this is not what you want. What you want does not exist, you see.* * *If somebody asks me a question suddenly, I try to answer, emphasizing and pointing out that there isno answer to that question. So, I merely rephrase, restructure and throw the same question back at you. It's not game playing, because I'm not interested in winning you over to my point of view. It's nota question of offering opinions—of course I do have my opinions on everything from disease todivinity, but they're as worthless as anybody else's.* * *Put it simply. I can't follow a very complex structure—I have that difficulty, you see. Probably I'm alow-grade moron or something, I don't know—I can't follow conceptual thinking. You can put it in very simple words. What exactly is the question? Because the answer is there; I don't have to give theanswer. What I usually do is restructure the question, rephrase it in such a way that the questionappears senseless to you.* * *Understanding is a state of being where the question isn't there any more; there is nothing there thatsays, Now I understand! —that's the basic difficulty between us. By understanding what I am saying, you are not going to get anywhere.* * *It is the questioner that creates the answer; and the questioner comes into being from the answer,otherwise there is no questioner. I am not trying to play with words. You know the answer, and you want a confirmation from me, or you want some kind of light to be thrown on your problem, or you'recurious—if for any of these reasons you want to carry on a dialogue with me, you are just wasting yourtime; you'll have to go to a scholar, a pundit, a learned man—they can throw a lot of light on suchquestions. That's all that I am interested in in this kind of dialogue: to help you formulate your ownquestion. Try and formulate a question which you can call your own.* * *There is no religious content, no mystical overtones at all, in what I am saying. Man has to be savedfrom the saviors of mankind! The religious people—they kidded themselves and fooled the whole of mankind. Throw them out!
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